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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial">Exactly, check out people's
experience and you will see to host rails you really should have your
own servers or pay more for a rails specific provider. That is all I
was saying. Rails, at present, is not at the point it can be called
"mass marketable." The problem is I don't see that changing.</font></font><br>
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<pre wrap="">seconded :)
googling for "ruby on rails hosting" is a good place to start. Make a
list of the those who come back and do some more googling for peoples
experiences.
I've deployed a lot of sites for work but we host them ourselves (and
they're mostly private, low volume internal sites for clients). I use
textdrive.com for my personal blog.
On 16 Mar 2007, at 18:01, Kevin Williams wrote:
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<pre wrap="">First, STOP WITH THE ALL CAPS ALL OVER THE PLACE, PLEASE.
Second, there are many Rails hosting providers who support Capistrano.
If you think most Rails-friendly hosting providers don't support
Capistrano, then you haven't looked around well enough. I've used four
different hosting providers, all with Capistrano, and didn't have too
much trouble with any of them.
Lastly, I was taught once that there are people who complain and
people who get things done. They are completely separable, and are
rarely the same person.
On 3/16/07, Richard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:***@cox.net"><***@cox.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I have heard of it and most providers want nothing to do with it. I
know a VERY good rails programmer that had spent 2 full days to
get it
working OK. The reality is rails is a nightmare to set up unless you
are VERY knowledgeable on server setups which most website people are
not. SOME internet providers MIGHT let you set up rails and then run
like hell when it comes to ANY support or knowledge. The
overwhelming
majority of providers are well aware of rails and HAVE NO PLANS to
implement it whatsoever due to the issue I mentioned. This
difficulty
in acceptance by providers and deployment, for me, has made rails
a hard
sell when people can see other templates like Joomla and other CMS
that
set up in 5 minutes by running one script.
I was taught once there are concept people and implementation people.
They are inseparable, yet always think they don't need each other. I
think the whole ruby/rails idea could take a lesson from that. I
haven't given up on rails but the practically is - the market place,
given all the other options, is NOT racing to rails for the reasons I
mentioned and I don't see a hell of a lot of movement coming
either. I
set up a rails site on site5 and if it wasn't for documents I
found on
the internet, no one could answer my questions. With rails it is all
about, "Look what I can build and how fast." But in DEPLOYMENT
all that
goes to hell fast. To rails folks I would say, run your own
servers and
become a server expert or pay more for a specialized rails host.
If you
don't do that, all your excitement will change with the realities of
deployment.
Ian J Cottee wrote:
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On 16 Mar 2007, at 06:15, Richard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I wonder if someone can comment on this. I loved the whole concept
of rails
and went crazy with it at first. But I have discovered the biggest
and, to
me, the most absurd obstacle to rails is DEPLOYMENT. I have never
had such
problems with servers and providers when it comes to deploying
rails
applications. I have had to back off because of this. In my view,
until
rails is more concerned with ease of DEPLOYMENT instead of bells
and
whistles, it will go the way of Beta versus VHS. Beta was better
but VHS
won.
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Cheers,
Kevin Williams
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.almostserio.us/">http://www.almostserio.us/</a>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
Magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
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